Posted by Dirka_dirka, a resident of Alamo, on Jan 6, 2013 at 5:55 pm

How about lowering the speed limits arounds schools to 15 MPH, now there is an idea that makes sense. The fools and liars we elected have no back bones. They are whores to their own causes. San Ramon needs reasonable municipal speed limits, not append traps and the autobahn. Dirka dirka......

Posted by Resident, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 7, 2013 at 9:05 am

State law is VERY specific about how speed laws are set and enforced. If the state laws are not followed then the speed limits CANNOT be enforced. Tickets written on unenforceable limits will get thrown out in traffic court if contested.

Posted by Bob Kerner, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 7, 2013 at 1:11 pm

Too manay variables to remember. Looks like a lot people will be getting tickets. I don't believe traffic flow will be any better. Why not eliminate a lot of uneccessary stop signs that hinder traffic.

Also synonize the stop lites and advise the speed they are set to.

Posted by Resident, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 9, 2013 at 8:20 am

To Dirka Dirka of ALAMO; State law establishes speed limits around schools at 25 mph. Anything below that will be unenforceable. Do your research!

Posted by Dirka_dirka, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 9, 2013 at 12:02 pm

Resident of san Ramon, wrong again! Rude, rude Know-it-all! I am not a lawyer, or a judge, but this took a two second google search:

Some

From the CA DMV

school zones may have speed limits as low as 15 mph. Always drive more carefully near schools, playgrounds, parks, and residential areas because children may suddenly dart into the street. Also, many children have not yet developed the ability to judge speeds and distances well enough to cross streets safely when cars are moving fast.

source:

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Posted by Dirka_dirka, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm

Dirka dirka serves it up again.

Posted by Considerate Citizen, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 10, 2013 at 7:14 am

State law "... about how speed laws are set and enforced..." was established long before we had such rapidly-increasing influx of immigrants..that are from countries where people driving cars are of a minority or there are few laws. So, best to change/enforce laws as opposed to enabling those that break them.

Posted by Dave Hudson, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 10, 2013 at 10:48 am

California Vehicle Code (CVC)governs the speeds at which vehicles may travel through the city's transportation network. The CVC states that the prima facie speed limit of 25 miles per hour (MPH) shall be applicable under the following conditions:

1. On any highway other than a state highway.....determined by local authority under procedures set forth in this code. (22352 & 40802)

2. When approaching or passing a school building or grounds....

3. When passing a senior center or other facility primarily used by senior citizens,....

There is no school in the San Ramon Valley that passes any CVC procedure to post below or above 25 MPH. We can post 5 MPH & you can still legally go 25 MPH.

Posted by Dirka_dirka, a resident of San Ramon, on Jan 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm

Well, it looks like the Dirka was right! It is possible to have 15 MPH spped limits around schools, according to Mr. Huson; however, as Mr. hudson asserts, our schools do not meet these requirements. Hmm, the dirka found this San Jose piolot program here:

There a lot of assertions here, but very little source information listed as to the actual laws. Regardless, San Ramon should implement a 15 MPH piolot program and insure compliance, regardless of cost. It is a matter of child safety. Many states have already implemented a 15 MPH limit around school and the results are significant improvements in safety. The Dirka rides again.............

Assembly Bill 321

AB 321 became effective January 2008 to allow local jurisdictions to extend the 25 mphprirna

facie speed limit (up to 1,000 feet from the school grounds), or to establish a 15 mph speed limit

in school zones (upto 500 feet from the school grounds), under certain criteria. Specifically, the

reduced or extended school zone speed limit is only applicable on local streets in a residential

district that have a maximum of two traffic lanes, and a maximum posted speed limit of 30 mph

immediately prior to and after the school zone; and must be established for both directions of

travel. Based on the requirements in the CVC and the CA MUTCD, when determining the need

to lower or extend the school zone speed limit, the provisions of CVC Section 627 that justify the

speed limit must be documented in an engineering study. Similar to the reduced 25 mph school

zone speed limit on higher speed streets, a 15 mph school zone speed limit would only be in

effect when children are present. Since adoption of AB 321, only a few cities in the State have

elected to implement 15 mph school zones, and staff is not aware if any of these cities has

analyzed the traffic safety benefits of the lowered school zone speed limits.

Dana Avenue 15 MPH School Zone

On August 10, 2010, the Council approved a 15 mph school zone speed limit on Dana Avenue

between Hester Avenue and Naglee Avenue due to an unusual condition that was created on

Dana Avenue when a school building that housed 16 classrooms and the Trace Elementary

library was destroyed by fire. During an approximate two year period while replacement

facilities are under construction, Trace Elementary classrooms have been located on both sides of

Dana Avenue. During this time period, students may be crossing Dana Avenue throughout the

school day at times not regularly anticipated by motorists. This is a significant unusual condition

that would not readily be apparent to motorists as they travel on Dana Avenue, especially those

unfamiliar with the neighborhood. This unusual condition was documented in the engineering

study completed for Dana Avenue to justifythe lowered speed limit. Over the past year, the

signs have been favorably received by the school community, however, given the significant

congestion present on Dana Avenue during drop-off and pick-up periods, the impact of the

lowered speed limit as a speed reduction tool is difficult to assess.

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Posted by MacDaddy, a resident of San Ramon, on Feb 5, 2013 at 5:41 pm

People will argue over anything. No wonder we can't get anything done.